Mat Lock
Welcome to the podcast, it's an absolute pleasure to have you on I know we've, we've taken a little bit of time to get there, the time differences and all of the different bits and pieces will be going on at this end, in particular with the various weather events. But it's a pleasure to have you here and what I'd love for you to do is introduce yourself just who you are, where you are and and what it is you do in the world.
Hitu Jugessur
Thank you, Matt, thank you for having me on the show. And my name is Hitu Jugessur. I'm the president of The Art of Living Foundation in Canada. I'm also an instructor with the foundation so have been teaching the the various workshops that we deliver breathwork, meditation, yoga workshop for the last 20 odd years, not just in Canada, but I've taught in various parts of the world as well. And right now I'm based on Vancouver Island. So it's still Tuesday here for me to say afternoon.
Mat Lock
Sure, in Vancouver Island, I haven't been quite that far I've been very close of into a place called Squamish, you would know of course, which is just back on the mainland, but I have a friend of mine is now living on the island. And he certainly describes it as basically perfection. Now, you mentioned the Art of Living Foundation. Just maybe, yeah, tell me a bit more about that. What what that is what it does. Sounds like it's an international organization, I'd love to hear more about that.
Hitu Jugessur
It's an international organization with the vision of creating stress free, violence free communities and societies. And we are based in over 156 countries. Today, we've been in service for over 40 years. We're a humanitarian and educational organization and it's run. Globally, it's volunteer based. So our instructors, or volunteers, our service projects are run by volunteers. We do various things from anywhere from personal development, to sustainable development through various environmental projects, social development projects. There, it's a huge, huge organization, but for for Canada right now our focus is on providing tools and techniques to individuals and communities to handle stress, to handle trauma to handle negative emotions, and then to live a healthier, more balanced lifestyle. In a nutshell.
Mat Lock
Certainly right up our street, that's for sure. And I guess just to give some context around the timing of this, because obviously, the podcasts live forever. We're just globally, we're just rolling out of the back end of the C 19 pandemic. And so I imagine that's been a busy time for a foundation such as yours. When we think about the, for example, mental health. I know that that's a major topic, globally, of course, but also, for your foundation, it's a key area of focus, given anxiety, depression, you mentioned already domestic violence. You know, all of those, unfortunately, the data has moved in the wrong direction very much on the back of the pandemic. Um, how is your organization? How's the organization adapted to that and try to help help combat those those struggles?
Hitu Jugessur
Yeah, definitely. Our work has increased. I mean, we this is what we do. This is what we're here for. We had to very at the start of the pandemic, very quickly, like everybody else switched to online teaching. So our programs, the vast majority are available online even now and we will continue down this road. And people are reaching out and when one of the reasons why I'm here with you today, Matt is just to raise awareness as to what we do and the fact that we are here. And our approach is very effective, simple to do, and best results very quickly using very simple breathing techniques, medicine He only bit of yoga, bit of self awareness, we can shift from, you know, our inner world, we can have more control over our inner world when the outside world is unraveling around us in a way that we're not used to in a way that we're not comfortable with. So having more control of what's going on inside in the mind, the level of the emotions and having self mastery over that is where we need to be heading. So these techniques that we teach the evidence base, there's a lot of science backing them, the data around the breath work and the meditation that we teach. And today, it's very accessible, it's accessible to everybody, you know, anybody can do these, these techniques. So that's where we are.
Mat Lock
Yeah, incredibly powerful. I mean, it's part of our online, program level up instantly, we introduce some basic breathwork. Mindfulness, we do a couple of guided meditation sessions, and so on. And it's for often, for many people, it's often their first time, it's an introduction to those kinds of tools. And most people are blown away by how effective they are the impact that they can have. But by the time they're with us, of course, there's almost like a filter process getting through to being on the program, and therefore, they tend to be more open and receptive. And they're in an environment where they're ready to learn, I'd be really fascinated to know how you how you try and access and enter the world of those who need help. But not necessarily open yet to the idea of mindfulness and breath work, and so on are in how do you how do you reach out cold calling, I guess.
Hitu Jugessur
You know, a lot of this happened through word of mouth. In our case, this is how this is what's been the most effective over the 40 odd years that we've been in existence. Because these techniques are so powerful, so beneficial, so transformative, that people share it with, you know, whenever they've they've benefited from it, they will tell people around them, their friends and family to reach out to us. So the majority of our courses happen through word of mouth. And then of course, some marketing is required as well, you know, as, as it is today in the digital world. But mainly people will come because they know somebody who has benefited from it, and they want to experience it. And also those who undergo that the courses, then the role of transformation that presents itself speaks for it. You know, they, you can see from the day one, when they entered the program to the last day when they leave the program, they're smiling, they're much lighter, they're much brighter, and something has shifted at a very, very deep level. So that shows up in the way they conduct themselves in their relationships with other people, also in a professional environment. And people notice that Oh, something is different, you know, and I want that, what's what's working for you here. And that's how people come?
Mat Lock
Absolutely. The sometimes I find when I'm talking to people, and they ask what we do and how we do it. When I when I get to the part about mindfulness. And I talk about breath, work and meditation. Some people, you can see their eyes glaze over, you lose them at that point. And if you use the word, I find the same if you use the word with the term spirituality. And I know that for some people that still has religious undertones to it. And if they're not religious, if they don't have a religious belief, then it's all already starting to be a barrier to them. I think we've made I mean, every cloud has a silver lining, and certainly this pandemic that we're on the back of now. One of the silver linings, I believe is the lot more certainly awareness around the subjects of suicide prevention and mental health. Much greater awareness around that which is fantastic. As well the stigma around mindfulness and meditation and breath work, I believe has been reduced, generally speaking, just my own observations, I guess I'm talking about but the term spirituality and how that fits in today's world. I'd love to hear what you think. What I mean, what does spirituality mean? You mean to you in today's world.
Hitu Jugessur
Anything that uplifts your spirit, see, you're not just matter, they have consciousness in you, right? You're not just this physical body, there's an energy in you, then the consciousness that allows you to move and take and do whatever, everything that you do. So the energy behind you, inside of you, but the way in which you can harness that you can uplift that you can increase that energy level so that you are happier, you're more living more with the human values. When I when I talk about human values, I talk about love and compassion and friendliness, we all know this, this is what being spiritually, so to be more in touch with that natural state that we were born with, of being loving, compassionate, caring, you know, more in harmony with people around us with the environment around them. That is what spirituality is all simply, you know, you don't have to, you know, be religious, you don't have to have certain sets of beliefs. Just recognizing that there is much more to you than just the body, much more to you than your mind much more to you than your emotions, that your pure, scintillating joy, energy loves spirit. And accessing that and having the means to, to live fully to your potential, being happy. That is spirituality, right and caring for others as well. Living in a world where you're only consumed with your own needs and, and desires. That is not a spiritual life. But when you start to care for others, when you start to feel connected with yourself, and with others around you that it leads to retreat. That's it. You know, it's our natural state, state of do. And if you want to go a little bit further, you know, the founder of Art of Living Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, he says, religion is like the, the banana skin and spirituality, the banana, like very often, we hold on to the skin and throw away the banana. But the essence is there in your hand, you know, this is what you're made up of. The human values. Yeah,
Mat Lock
I've never heard that way before. It's a nice way of describing it, I think. condensing it down. So I mean, when we think about being in touch with ourselves, and so on, and that it all sounded wonderful, but I don't have time because I'm too busy. I'm working. I've got a million emails, I've got to take the kids to soccer, I got to try and find time to train and be fit myself and cook and I don't have time for any of that is often what we hear.
Hitu Jugessur
You are?
Mat Lock
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Yeah, then that traveling to Disney World, right. And people, generally speaking, are pretty wrapped up in sort of the whirlwind of life or on the hamster wheel, as we like to refer to it, there's, it's often when our delegates start level up, it's a little bit like that for them. And, you know, slowly over the five weeks we, we start to change, some of the behaviors around technology, for example, will start to shift and change some of the behaviors around, around slowing down, disconnecting being more in touch with themselves. And by default, as you said, and then by default, actually, that, that leads to them being more in touch, and better connected with those around them. I mean, it's, it can't not work actually, if someone's willing to lean in and practice some of these wonderful, let's call them activities. Just I mean, breathwork, in particular, and we tend to start with and we introduce a very simple box breathing just as a starting point, in the first week of our program, and even though we introduce a different style, and then we have guided meditation, across the different weeks, it tends to be the box breathing that people stick with. And of course, from our perspective, we don't have an opinion about which they should do I mean, they should do the one that makes them feel the best. That resonates with them the most because they're more likely to continue doing it which is of course, what we try and instill make these daily, daily or weekly habits, life habits, life behaviors. But let's let's sort of dig in. I mean, obviously you are a yoga instructor or yoga Expert, as you are with brickwork breathwork, and meditation, I'd love maybe if you just talk a little bit about the history of, you know, the ancient wisdom that backs all of this. It's not some new fandangled creation. On the contrary, it dates back a long time. And if you're happy, I'd love to hear your take on the history of it, and how that's now so relevant in today's world more than ever, it could be argued.
Hitu Jugessur
Yeah, I guess I'll take a step back a little bit, just to touch upon what you were saying earlier about, you know, people not finding the time. But the busier, we are more the need for us to find the energy to continue doing what we want to do. You know, stress burnout is when there's too much to do not enough time, and not enough energy to do whatever whatever we want to accomplish, there's not much we can do about, everybody just has 24 hours in a day, no one has any minute more than that. Not much you can do about acquiring more time. Not much you can do very often about diminishing your workload. But what you do have control is your own over is your own energy level. And this is where the work we do is important. Because once you're you're able to raise your energy level, then you're able to accomplish everything that you want to accomplish in a better manner in less time even. Now, coming back to the breath. This, in this system of yoga, in the science of yoga, we have known that there is a correlation between how you breathe, and your state of mind, for every emotion that we experience, there is a corresponding rhythm in the breath. So this is now acknowledged by modern science, it is now known that yes, in fact, this is the case when you you're angry, your breathing pattern changes. When you're sad, depressed, the change in the rhythm again, when you're happy, you breathe differently. When they anxiety, your breath changes again. So this is known in the system of yoga for millennia, right now. And that's where all the teachings of yoga pranayama, meditations, all that came from there. So how do you harness your mind? It's not easily done just by wheeling it, you cannot just, you know, if you're angry, you're caught up in that storm in that moment, then how do you overcome those emotions? How do you dissolve your negative emotion by attending to the breath, because by breathing in certain ways, those emotions dissolve, and your mind comes back into the present moment. So understanding the the workings of the mind, if we if you notice, just in in the last few minutes that, you know, we've been chatting together, though, you're here, the mind does tend to drift for a second for a fraction of a second thinks about what it needs to do. Or it is thinking about something that happened five minutes ago, you know, it's it's vacillating between the past and the future. This is the natural tendency of the mind, more stress there is in the nervous system, more This tendency is there, and the stress accumulates. Right? When you're angry, you're stuck somewhere, you're stuck in, you're in the past, you're stuck in something that you wanted, that didn't happen, or something that happened that you didn't like, mind is stuck, even when you're anxious, the events haven't happened, but you're stuck somewhere in the future. So you're not able to live fully in the present moment, as life is right now. But your breath is in the present moment is only in the present happening in the present moment. So by using your breath, you can harness the mind. The analogy I would give here is over kite kite is moving here in the in the wind, right? But how do you control that guy? Do you need that string. And that is what the breath is doing you using your breath, to arrest this tendency in the mind to vacillate and to bring it here and now in the moment where life is happening. And you can deal with situations and events in a much more effective way and be more joyful, more happy, pleasant state of mind in the moment and dissolve those negative tendencies. But this is where all these breathing techniques pranayama all these things come come into effect. And in our living we have a very, our signature breathing breath work. It's called the sky breathing technique sky, being the acronym for Sudarshan Kriya Yoga version, Korea. So here we are using the natural rhythms of the breath, to harmonize the whole nervous system to harmonize all the levels of our being, and eliminate stresses that are very deep rooted in the in at the cellular level. So this is it's very powerful, it's very, but at the same time, very easy to do and very accessible. Does that answer your question?
Mat Lock
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. And certainly, for the foundation when you're working through the programs, I mean, is it a blend of breathwork meditation and yoga? I mean, what what are the component pieces that you have packaged together that ultimately derive the best results?
Hitu Jugessur
So in the in the, I mean, first of all, yoga is very misunderstood by the by the general population, people think yoga is just doing the postures or doing the asanas when in fact, yoga is a whole complete science of life. No, it's spiritual elevation, integration of harm of all your emotions, and connection with oneself. Right. So it is not just some postures that we do, it includes meditation, it includes pranayama, breathing, really includes knowledge of the self. So if we look at all of that our programs are very packaged in a way that bring all these elements together, the knowledge, the service component, the techniques, and the the practice of it, you know, in for the individual, all these elements are there in our workshop.
Mat Lock
And how has that been harder to deliver online? I mean, I know with yoga, there are postures involved as part of the overall delivery of yoga, therefore, doing that online has that been?
Hitu Jugessur
No, no, we've we've, we've we've managed to adapt and catch up very quickly, you know, now everything is people are having amazing experiences online, actually, because they're in the comfort of their homes. And we have three created that space around them where they can go inward and and experience that.
Mat Lock
With the foundation, are you I mean, I assume you're trying to instill New Life behaviors, lifestyle behaviors, that people then it becomes part of their routine. It's not just a program for five weeks, or whatever it is, and then done. Because I mean, naturally, we know and that's why we have the community on the back end of our five reprogramming the fiber Dragon was just the entrance, the entry point. Because we know that there's value in the ongoing being part of a community, of course, maintaining that human connection, but as well, just helping to maintain those new routines until they really are second nature and almost muscle memory. How do you handle it?
Hitu Jugessur
So yes, we do need I mean, when you mean lifestyle changes, no, we're not going to come and tell you what to eat. And no, no, no, no, but we do continue the practices we do. So you have a support system by which the instructor will come you will come together, you know, with on a weekly basis with other people who have learned the technique, so that you don't, you can you know, many, many times it's harder to get into a routine on your own discipline is not there. But when you're there with the group, it makes it much easier, much more fun. So we offer follow up sessions for that reason. And then once you've done the workshop, you know, we are here to support to be with you for the rest of the life of your life. We are here. It's up to you to reach out. Yeah.
Mat Lock
Fantastic. And I mean, what kind of numbers are we talking about here? Roughly, man numbers globally. What kind of numbers are we talking about?
Hitu Jugessur
We reached over 100 million. I mean, it's hard to even quantify that. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Significant.
Mat Lock
Significant. Yeah. Yeah, talking about making an impact. And I know that when we talked before, part of your approach is helping people understand there's a bigger picture. And you mentioned earlier in this in today's chat, that often people are just within themselves. They're operating in My words would be, you know, they're operating in their bubble, they're kind of just living their life in their bubble, unconsciously, often, in terms of what they're doing and how they're doing it. And part of what you offer is, the opportunity of being part of something bigger and trusting that there is something bigger than to be a part of that is good. And it sounds like the foundation ultimately, is that. And by being a part of the foundation, you're being exposed to this idea. Yeah, I think something bigger than themselves and understand that just changing.
Hitu Jugessur
Not just the foundation foundation is one organization, being recognizing that you you yourself are something much bigger, right? That you're not just this physical form, that there's a spirit in you that you're, if you can tap into the power in there, that you can recognize that you have huge potential, that you are connected to something much bigger in the universe. That's what we mean. Right? You're not just an individual, but you're part of some sort of a whole. And recognizing that there is this universal consciousness that is guiding that is supporting that is sustaining us. And that, that awareness comes in your mind starts to shed the stress. When there's less noise, less chatter in your in your mind, then you're more stillness, there's a new, more composure, more centeredness, there's a new, you recognize that you're part of a whole that you're not just just this one individual.
Mat Lock
And how is that important? How, how does that matter?
Hitu Jugessur
This is the basis of life, somebody who is recognizes that they are connected to nature will not pollute nature, will not cause damage and destruction to nature, somebody who recognizes that they're part of somebody else, know that they're connected to XYZ person, they will not be violent or, or abusive or hurtful towards that, because they recognize that that same spirit that is in that individual is here in me right now. I cannot hurt the other, it's you and me are the same, we are one. And that requires greater awareness. When we are stressed, earlier, I talked about human values. Those human values don't express we are born with human values. If you look at small children, they are happy, loving, caring, friendly by nature. But what has happened to us as adults, we start to accumulate impressions in the mind accumulate stresses. And that natural tendency to be caring and compassionate becomes much more restricted. Or it will express itself only occasionally, when the mind is stressed, you're not loving towards somebody else, you're not caring towards somebody else, you're so consumed with yourself. Your own comfort, your own needs, your own desires, your own want. The moment we start to shed all of that, we recognize that we're part of that one thing, a part of everything, part of the whole, there's only one consciousness, and we're all, you know, existing in that energy, that same energy, the same spirit that is in me even you as in that matters, if every child was to grow up with that sort of awareness, imagine how peaceful this world would be. No violence wars happen, because we've created divisions in our own mind. judgments, prejudices, yeah.
Mat Lock
To true in the same way that we often refer to within our community about the lost art of play as adults, and you see, kids can find joy in a puddle of rainwater can find just pure joy in that. Or, actually, one of the questions we ask is, when's the last time you climbed a tree just for the sake of climbing a tree? And yeah, 100% of the answers are when I was a kid, exactly. Yeah, we loved it when we were kids. When did that change? What stopped it's still fun to climb a tree surely it's fun to climb a tree. And so on all of that creativity, that enthusiasm somehow gets modified and suppressed as we become adults. Be responsible and all of those things and follow the societal norms of, you know, we get a job we, we meet someone, maybe we have a family and so on and so on and so on either the very traditional path and nothing wrong with that. But it seems to come with some inherent downsides like that the lost art of play and creativity and fun. And as you say, we often as adults, we become cynical prejudice, we all sorts of things interesting how that how that occurs. But I appreciate what you're talking about in terms of spirituality and being connected at a more a more fundamental level. And once we have that realization, the power that comes with that to be more free in our thoughts and our feelings and our emotions, and more connected to the naysayers to those who just go there. It's all woowoo. How do you try and address that with the people who are just closed to the idea of that?
Hitu Jugessur
Just look at children, children as spiritual by nature, they are happy, they live simple, like they're free, even if they're upset, they will be able to get you know, shake it off in a moment, right and come back into the present moment being spiritual means living in the present moment over and over again and again, and again. And again, like children, right? That's it. Nothing complicated about remembering that remembering that you're that it's not woowoo, which is your nature, you were born like that. But somewhere along the way, are these things to go over. Just to be
Mat Lock
I’m conscious, that I and I suspect anyone listening to this, in our audience, so far would have been relating to, you know, the Western world, the Western world struggles and challenges and those challenges and struggles in our lives, and so on, and thinking about just the busyness of it all. Now, I know you've spent quite some time in Africa. And I've really liked to hear about what what, what your mission there was, and maybe still is, but as well have relatable. I mean, they've got a different set of struggles, maybe. But somehow they're relatable in terms of the emotions, and the psychology of it all. And actually, even though the different, very different situation, that somehow the same kind of struggles, I'd love to hear more about that.
Hitu Jugessur
So you pinned it, you know, it's exactly that I have taught in many African countries, and I've spent a lot of time in conflict areas as well. And the stories are different, the situations are very different challenges are very different. But then the the human nature is the same wherever you are, you know, every soul is seeking that experience of peace, of joy, of comfort from within of solace, you know, and that's what we're here to, to guide you towards using some simple techniques. So people are the same and they experience the same benefits, they experience the same transformation because ultimately, we all have never none of us have ever learned how to handle our mind. Our emotions, neither in school, nor talk. We have have we been taught what happens when you're angry? What do you do when you're angry? How do you overcome your negative emotion? What how would we when
Mat Lock
We medicate, in the western world we medicate. We give it a label and we medicate it. That's pretty much how it works in the Western world, which is a shame.
Hitu Jugessur
So it's the simple balanced of increasing your energy level. When I talk about energy, I talk about lifeforce energy. So when that balance shifts and your energy level rises, then automatically you feel better, you feel happier you feel more alert mind is more clear. So these techniques take you in that direction. And they they also make you resilient, resilient to stress is really resilient to anxiety and negative emotions. So that though your circumstances are challenging, from the inside, you're in control, you know what you need to do. And even though you do get upset, you will get upset you will get angry emotions will come and go this is life we are human beings. Then you just sit with yourself for 1520 minutes do the reads do the techniques. Send overcome them and get on with your life. You don't let those things take over your life, you'll be in charge you what we call self mastery. So people anywhere in the world experiences everywhere in the world experienced the same because we are the same. We are the same one the same thing.
Mat Lock
Absolutely. I know when we spoke before you one of the one of the challenges in Africa, that is an ongoing reality for the women there in particular was that I think you said it was only 1/3 of men are remaining in some parts of Africa. And of course, that that leads to some significant challenges for the women that that remain, and I I'm interested in your, your way of helping them is the same, I'm assuming, because as you've just said, we're all humans were the same in the end.
Hitu Jugessur
Yeah, those were specific situations in war torn countries, that that you're referring to. And we're seeing the same happening right now with Ukraine, right, where the the men are at war, and the women and children are the ones who are really struggling to survive, and to overcome the challenges of the day to do so. The same were the same everywhere, you know, doesn't matter where today, the words here tomorrow, it can be somewhere else. But the same tools are delivered in slightly package slightly differently, we have specialized programs for PTSD. So there are certain techniques that are taught that can can help with that, and the sky breathing being one of them. But incorporated in there are some other techniques also to to help the individual. So those who are taught, I taught those programs here, here we teach them to first responders and to the military, in the Western world. Challenges are there globally.
Mat Lock
And other other differences when you consider the different cultures? And here we are, in this conversation, we've crossed a fairly broad range of cultures. How do you find you have to adapt the programs or your even your approach of the subject? The introduction of the subject, based on cultural sensitivities?
Hitu Jugessur
Yeah, I mean, you need to be skilled at it. But ultimately, there's not much to adapt because everybody wants to be happy, and everyone is breathing. So you just need to be we don't overcomplicate things, we just teach them what they know already, but, you know, bring it into the context. Depending, you know, for children, we have a different program. So the same techniques taught but in a delivered in a different manner. Because children are going to sit and listen to you for a couple of hours, you need to play games, you need to read stories, you need to deliver it in a different manner. For the military, for personnel from you know, the police, people who are being affected, with PTSD delivered slightly differently. And the corporate sector, you have to talk a different language, right? Same material, same techniques, but delivered in using language that they're familiar with that makes sense to them. So that's what we adapt our programs in that manner.
Mat Lock
Such a good example. And you think about what we've discussed, how perhaps this should be the single way of introducing it. And it's the same way that the children received that makes it more fun. gamifies it? Isn't, it's interesting, isn't it, given what we've said, how it's adapted to a certain type of language for a corporate customer. And I mean, PTSD is something different, of course, but how it's delivered to adults, and even adults within a certain segment or industry, versus how it's delivered to children have to wonder if the take up rate would be even better. If it was a more approachable, even more approachable, style, like kids enjoy. You have to wonder why we adults need something packaged differently. When in fact, maybe the gamification is the key there who knows? But
Hitu Jugessur
adults, adults complicate things a lot. When children do they take things as they receive things as it comes to them. Adult intellect has matured there right so you have show or show up with that you have to present
Mat Lock
don't have the cynicism yet. Yeah, I guess, yeah, adults tend to be more, maybe more cautious. They've learned to be more cautious. They feel the need more cautious and find logic and reason in it and almost stress tested mentally before being open to it in case it's a danger or, or something that isn't for them. You're right there having children. Sure. Just open is much more open and which is why it's a shame. It's not part of, you know, schools of sort of basic education. I mean, there are other examples, how kids go through school and are not really taught in the most part in my experience and not taught anything about how to handle their personal finances. For example,
Hitu Jugessur
we are teaching in schools, our programs are taught in schools now. Yeah.
Mat Lock
music to the ears. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You have to wonder as well, how many, given the dramatic increase in statistics of children who are being diagnosed with ADHD and similar type of behavioral conditions, as they're referred to now, I have to wonder how many of those could be dramatically improved or even prevented, heaven forbid, just by adopting some of these practices, and which we would, I know, when I said lifestyle early, you sort of manga, we don't tell people what to eat. I mean, food is just one component of lifestyle. I mean, lifestyle can be as individual, as behaviors around technology, sleep, for sure. As well, we would include two active recovery protocols. So breathwork, meditation, yoga, tai chi, ice bars, I shower, saunas, you name it, we're talking about trying to build bulletproof brains and bombproof bodies and ultimately deliver happy, healthy humans is what we're trying to do, as you are. So in the same way, we don't tell people what to eat, of course not. And we're not qualified to do that. And it's not our motivation. Most people know what's good for them or not anyway. So we just try and create the space for them to make better decisions for themselves. But we do that through a lot of the techniques that you're talking about variations of big picture, the umbrella, mindfulness, breathwork, meditation, but no powerful stuff. Look, I'm really conscious of time, which I'm very grateful and generous you've been with your time. I mean, if you were to try and sum up any sort of final message that you'd like to give to our audience? How would that sound?
Hitu Jugessur
I would say, you know, give yourself a chance. You know, there's much more to you than you even know. And to tap into that to tap into the source of, of what you are, requires some skill, and you did require some guidance. And once you've tasted that nectar, then you know that you will not regret it, you will, in fact, you will. So I should have known about this, you know, a long time ago, I didn't I experienced this much earlier, this will be my personal experiences. So they reached out to us. And if people want to connect with me, personally, my instagram handle his coach, and
Mat Lock
all of that, and we'll put all of that in the show notes for sure. Yeah, absolutely. But now it seems, the more we can do at a young age or school level. Now, the better of laying the foundation for future generations, no question about it. Well, thank you. And there you have it. So thank you for listening. If you've enjoyed this, please go ahead and share it and leave us a review on whichever platform you're using. It really does help more than you know. And if you're interested in grabbing a copy of my book, lead by example, which talks about how you can unleash your potential at work and in life. I would love to send it to you. So if you go to the impact project.io And take a dive down that rabbit hole. It'll end up on your doorstep in no time. My thanks to hit you again. We'll be posting all of the various links to the to socials website, for sure the Art of Living Foundation, of course, and they'll all be in the show notes. So until next time, get gritty about kicking your goals and go make an impact in the world.
