Mat Lock
But actually, I’m going to take the opportunity of taking us through Sunday when Courtney and I spoke before we came up with relative to female, females in sport, five physiological life stages, and we came up with nicely organized them with PS which is puberty, pill, pregnancy, postpartum and period free. And what what dawned on me when we went through that process was how much information the Courtney has, and that I think is not common knowledge, and would really be well shared with this audience. And whether it’s with the females themselves, or their moms, their dads, their brothers, certainly their pts their coaches, to have a deeper understanding of some of these really important topics that don’t just pertain to sport. We’re talking here really about the long, lifelong impact of some of these. So with your blessing, Courtney, if you don’t mind. I know that we started with puberty because yes, we also that alive stage would be yes, as a baby. But in the context of The Unleashing Potential, we went straight to where sports come into play in our lives, which is, let’s say drag racing into adolescence or young adulthood. Would you agree?
Courtenay Polock
Yeah, yeah, I think that’s where the sort of starts.
Mat Lock
Yeah, absolutely. And then from a female body perspective, that’s when some major changes start to occur in the body, both hormonal II and anatomically, you said before, you want to talk us through a little bit of that, because I know one of the really interesting points for me what she said, it’s really common, that many females start to drop out of fitness related activities at that stage. And there’s some really fundamental issues with that. And you had some really good advice for the sort of things that parents or pts coaches teachers could look out for and be aware of, to help identify that. But maybe if we try to start with why it is, there’s a notable number of females that started to drop out of fitness related activities around the age of puberty.
Courtenay Polock
Yeah, so obviously, the main Changes the Physical, like an anatomical changes that I think a lot of young females actually go through that they feel very uncomfortable with in terms of hip changes, they’re growing breasts, now they’re getting their period, and everything just seems so foreign for them. And so a lot of them just start to feel really uncomfortable with that it’s not so great, you know, running around anymore, or Michaels at a now changing. So I think the biggest issue is, is the fact that they’re physically changing, and it no longer feels fun. And they start to lose like a little bit of motivation around the exercise. But it is actually such a crucial stage that females do continue to exercise for their long term health as we’ve spoken previously, everything sort of links together through the female lifecycle. So one phase is going to affect the next one, so on and so forth, until pretty much your granny really, in terms of age,
Mat Lock
I mean, some of those, what are some really some examples, because some of them are almost frightening to learn. Many within tech around bone density, for example, I mean, I, I’m in my 40s, and I’ve been told, when I hit 40 Plus, then, you know, doing weight bearing exercises becomes more important because of bone density and so on, I actually wasn’t aware how important it was during that early stage in male and females lives, but here we’re talking predominantly about females.
Courtenay Polock
Yeah, so during your adolescent time, you are actually developing pretty intense bone growth. So estrogen has a lot to do with bone formation. So because they’re starting to obviously get periods and their estrogen levels are growing and peaking, which is always fun for them, it’s really helping generate a lot of bone density. So that actually stops in like your 20s towards your 30s. And you actually don’t really grow any more bone. Throughout your lifestyle. It’s more like a maintenance thing or like the prevention of the natural decline in the density of the bone that you get with aging. So you want to basically grow and develop as much as you possibly can through that adolescent period and early 20s because that’s the most you probably ever going to have. So once you then reach later on in life, menopause and you start losing your estrogen again, you will have a natural, pretty drastic decline in your bone mineral density and then become at risk of osteoporosis, which then Obviously falls into like risk, risk of fractures if you were to fall over later on in your life. So it’s really crucial that that bone generate bone formation happens as much as you possibly can. And it’s quite sad that lots of young females are stopping exercise, not doing anything, maybe until they’re actually in their 20s, where they’d like to go back to some sort of sport or a social thing. And it kind of lost that opportunity window to to grow any more bone.
Mat Lock
Yeah, absolutely. And you mentioned as well, there’s an increased risk of type two diabetes women in later life who stopped exercising during that formative stage.
Courtenay Polock
Yeah, so your hormone profile is going to affect your blood sugar levels as well and energy, how you’re using all the energy. So you’re a pretty high risk of type two diabetes, especially because if you’re not exercising, and then you kind of eating junk food and not leading the most healthy lifestyle, type two diabetes is a really, really big lifestyle disease that’s very preventable, with, obviously healthy choices. So that risk is then associated later on in life as well. And then if you are diabetic, and then for pregnant, then there’s obviously gestational diabetes as well, which sometimes it’s not always because you are diabetic, but can also then affect your growing fetus when you’re pregnant. So then your baby is then at risk. So you can see how it’s I call it kind of all really correlated and linked. And I think not many people know that it’s like this big cycle of all flowing together naturally. Sure, well,
Ed Morrison
I might ask you as somebody who’s got a lot of experience in the in the fitness industry, is these things that Courtney’s talking about? Are they being taught to trainers enough? When coaching adolescence, I know my experience when I was a adolescent athlete, I was personally getting taught by people who are only three or four old years older than me at the time. And I know it was the same for my sisters who are being taught by coaches and trainers who are only a few years older than them. Are we empowering trainers enough with the information that Courtney’s talking about?
Will Henke
I mean, speaking to when I was also that age, I know that similar to you, it was people that were like a few years older, or coaches that were just like graduating high school, or just graduating college or whatever, refresh behind the ears of coaching. I can’t speak to how it is like to this day, but I don’t think so. And I think that that equally goes with coaches and pts alike aren’t being taught how, you know, young king, actually, like weightlifting and USA, weightlifting has done a pretty good job with that, taking the adolescence and like making sure they have fun in the sport first, before they take any kind of like performance goals too seriously. I know CrossFit son a little bit of a good job with that, as well as developing that CrossFit kids program and kind of having that snap weekend course of, you know, how should they deal with kids in the gym environment, and they should prioritize fun and mechanics over any kind of performance related goals. I don’t know how that is for football, or, you know, or rugby, or anything like that. I’m pretty sure it’s probably not there. But I do know that some places are starting to. And similarly to out of before, you know, the risk of getting ahead of ourselves. Same thing, PTs and trainers aren’t really being taught on, especially from the men’s side. I don’t know about women, they have more of an experience with their menstrual cycle, but they’re not being taught like how they should deal with women. And it’s, you know, from versus like being different parts of the cycle. If they’re not hitting the same weight they could three weeks ago, they’re saying, Oh, you know, don’t be, you know, come on be better than that squat more. And it’s like their physiology doesn’t literally allow them to do that. And I think that’s a huge thing. Because having people whether it be children, or women leaving the gym, demoralized after a session, that should be the last thing from your goal or intention. So,
Ed Morrison
yeah, I couldn’t agree more, I think you’re highlighting the importance of having an understanding of that stuff. So you’re not just, you know, beating up on people who, like you said their physiology is not allowing them to get the results that perhaps the trainer is expecting. And I think that leads really nicely. We’ve had a few a few really good questions sent in for this evening. And I’d like to get both of your thoughts on this. This was sent in by somebody anonymously, and I’ll read it verbatim for you guys. I’m a male PT. And I would feel really awkward about discussing the menstrual cycle or contraception with my female clients. Do you have any advice for how to handle such a sensitive topic? Please? I feel like both of you could, could bring different angles to that. Well, I might start with you and then call your video thoughts on afterwards?
Will Henke
Sure, I think it’s at most depends on if you have a rapport built with this person. I know this guy was talking about his daughter, so he should have that rapport. If he doesn’t, that should be something he should work on first, before talking to his daughter about her menstrual cycle and things like that and contraceptives. But speaking from like, I don’t have a daughter, I don’t have kids. It’s hard for me to tell a father what to do. But if I was speaking to a female athlete or something like that, it’s making sure that one as the coach, you should be dictating in the conversation as far as professionalism. Making sure there’s mutual trust in there. And understanding that it’s an important part of that person’s life, whether it be contraceptive or that I think Courtney can speak way more intelligently about taking the pill and things like that versus me. But I do know that before you do anything, make sure that you’re competent, you do your research and know at least like from a macro picture of what you want to say, you don’t have to be an expert. But you should be able to be confident in a little bit in what you’re bringing up. And at most, you have to be professional and you have to, like, you can’t have banter can have any of that. Because the moment you make it awkward, that’s when it gets awkward, and she won’t take it seriously, you know, kind of ruin that position in her in her life moving forward with that subject with people, especially with men. Absolutely. And, Courtney, I’d love to hear your thoughts on that.
Courtenay Polock
Yeah, I think, um, the most important thing is that, like, every female goes through this. So it’s actually so common. And I think from a female perspective, the fact that a male would actually take interest in that and care a bit more would just be really quite, I guess, comforting for a female, like most of the time, because it’s, it’s something that you would, if you were training you and you were, you know, having say a really difficult menstrual cycle, some some females do have some pretty terrible times, and didn’t really want to talk about it, because you just didn’t think he understood. And then he was like, hey, like, did you know this about your menstrual cycle and different types of training, it would just be a bit of a relief to think like, Oh, actually, you know, maybe I can talk about this. And you’ll know that I can’t train super hard today, or I’m not going to max lift today, because I’m not strong enough. And I feel terrible. So there’s almost like this comfort and relief feeling of being able to talk about it a little bit openly, rather than hiding it thinking like, Oh, you know, males don’t really want to talk about this, because it’s something that they don’t deal with. So I think that in itself would be quite quite quite a good way to approach it or in terms of, if you’re knowledgeable, and you’ve educated yourself. Sometimes there’s females that don’t actually know anything about their own menstrual cycle, they just deal with it every month. And that’s it. They don’t know anything about the nutrition side, the energy side, they don’t understand that their weights going to fluctuate through their menstrual cycle. So having just a small piece of knowledge and saying, Hey, did you actually know that sometimes in your menstrual cycle, you’re actually not going to lift heavy, and it’s okay. It’s like, Oh, really, I didn’t know that like, and then there will be more interested because they don’t actually know and didn’t realize that there was more knowledge to know that you kind of want to learn things about yourself and how your body works. I think when you’re training in general, especially if you’re an athlete, kind of like a female, everyday athlete who’s interested in performance based type training. So that would be my advice.
Mat Lock
Absolutely, I look, even if it’s not covered off in the mainstream courses that people are doing to become pts or coaches. It’s 2020. And there’s a lot of information out there. So I think, at the end of the day, I personally think, you know, fitness professionals, like any other professional have to take responsibility to educate themselves to take an interest. And the informations out there, in fact, um, well, I’d like to if we could just talk a little bit about, I mean, this is obviously something that you and your team have recognized sufficiently to develop a program around exactly that. It’s called the Wonder Woman program. And if you could just explain, I guess the, the idea behind it, what it was, what what was the motivation to develop a program exactly for just for women? And sure.
Will Henke
Yeah, so myself and head coach, that program parents, Karen, myself in her created this program, and the biggest thing I think, to take away is there are two main portions of the mental cycle that should be considered when women are training right, the follicular phase. That’s the beginning the first two weeks, and then the luteal phase. That’s going to be where women are kind of don’t have as much energy, their estrogen goes way down when going from the follicular phase to their luteal phase. So they may have you know, cramps, they may have these these, you know, these weird pains like I’ve heard some women have like this, like sharp lower back pain. Some women have said they have sweaty palms, there’s these random things that aren’t really specific to one woman because every woman’s menstrual cycle is different. So the program he created was to kind of take an approach and give two different workouts each day, depending on if you were in your Filipina phase or in your luteal phase. So you would kind of take a moment to check in with yourself, Hey, I know I’m in this part of my phase, I either track it on my, the app they use, like flow or a few other ones that we recommend. And they kind of take that time and say Alright, I’m gonna I’m gonna stick with this and kind of just having the awareness of knowing, okay, this is the intention for the workout that will tell them like, Hey, listen, if you’re in your luteal phase, don’t worry about how heavy you go. Don’t worry about how fast you’re going because do what feels right for you today. And then having that going into a workout. can be massive as far as confidence as far as leaving the gym thinking that you did well, instead of leaving the gym feeling like Oh, that was a that was a terrible session, I felt like crap, I didn’t perform the way I wanted to. And that stress you kind of self talk yourself into, can be worse for your recovery leading into the next day. So there’s a lot of like education that Karen and I do as far as posting in the private group shot the private Facebook group that we have for them. It’s more about educating women, because it’s not, although it’s the coach’s responsibility to know about it. It’s the individual woman’s responsibility to track her cycle, I can’t track all the women we have on their cycles, one that wouldn’t be right, because I’d be telling them, instead of them learning their body, and when someone learns something about themselves, that’s going to be the best thing they can do.
Mat Lock
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. And I know that you and I have talked about, this is such a big subject and such an important subject. But we think we’re going to have another get together, we’ll get Karen on with yourself. And we’ll really go for and maybe Courtney wants to join us. But it’s a subject in its own right exam. I’m conscious of time. And I’m conscious of trying to get at least a surface level of education out there across the various life stages. And we’ve talked a little bit already about too little exercise and those formative years. But of course, what about the other end of the spectrum. And I know that there are lots of kids and adolescents and young adults who simply love sport, they love sport, and they play a lot of it. But that in itself has can have some serious implications. I know that someone I used to train a lot with, she had incredibly irregular periods. And I know women are you and I talked about a mutual friend who hasn’t had a period for years. And she’s someone who trains hard, very lean, incredible athlete. But nonetheless, there are physiological implications to that. And I know the corner you and I talked about female’s menstrual cycle, as opposed to a male’s menstrual cycle. And fuel cycle is very much the canary in the coal mine. Right? It’s, it’s a really good indicator for how our bodies where it’s at and so on. But maybe you can talk to us if that if we’ve got parents out there. Or will coaches who fear there’s overtraining occurring. What what are some of the implications, or I’m thinking, of course, you know, the female athlete triad being the biggest concern if you could talk to us about that?
Courtenay Polock
Yeah, sure. So what female athlete triad, if anyone isn’t really sure is usually three different issues. It’s it’s absence of period, or really irregular at some point, but mostly absence of any sort of period, or menstrual cycle, and really low energy intake with or without some sort of eating disorder. So it could just be not eating enough food or associated with something else. And also affecting, obviously, bone mineral density. So there’s like three big components. And it’s usually in sports, where there’s some sort of a weight based category or an image look like, you know, something like gymnastics, for example, where they’re quite small got to be fitting into certain sizes, basically. And there’s a bit of a demand to have like a physique based around that activity. And they’re training a lot overtraining and under eating, in terms of recall, not recovering enough as well is also a big problem for adolescents. So are anyone really?
Mat Lock
Sure. So if we were what are some of the common things to look for? I guess, bone mineral density is not something we can see. Or be attuned to, let’s say, Well, what are some of the warning signs that a parent or a coach could look for?
Courtenay Polock
Yeah, so mood is a huge one, based on overtraining, like that people are going to change their moods, whether they’re low, pretty low, really low mood energy. injuries, like recurring injuries that just don’t seem to heal is a big one. If you’re a female and your menstrual cycle is just not the same as it’s normally been, are starting to show irregularities, or you’re starting to experience, say missing periods, or they’re extra long or they’re just different to what they have normally been. That’s a pretty big one. sleep pattern. Are you sleeping well? Are you not sleeping? Well? just general motivation as well. Are you starting to like hate your particular sport you may be you’re starting to notice it. For example, if you have a child and they’re just starting to really dislike, something that they’re doing all those things together, different for everybody is going to paint a picture of how well they’re coping with the training load or whether they’re getting enough rest or whether they’re getting enough nutrition to combat the amount of training that they’re doing.
Mat Lock
Yeah, sure. So it’s certainly submit the regularity of menstruation or the period. You said, lots of women are not really that in tune with it. They’ve kind of it arrives, they deal with it and move on. So you would advise your clients for example, anyone to track their periods more accurately.
Courtenay Polock
Yeah, 100% because especially if you’re in a exercise regime or training program where you’re looking for performance, because you fluctuate so much throughout your cycle that you have to accommodate for that, and understand that your performance or your training isn’t actually going to be like a linear progression in terms of how much you might be lifting, or how well you’re performing in like a aerobic capacity. So if you aren’t tracking anything, and you’re not really aware of what’s going on within your body, you’re not going to have the ability to taper your programming or substitute things out when you need to change your nutrition if you need to. But it’s also just, I think, when you start tracking your cycle, you really become aware of what’s going on which body awareness in this whole exercise training regime is huge, because you have to really learn to listen. And if you can’t even track your cycle, then I don’t really think you’re going to be successful at listening too much also. And there’s benefits to different phases of your cycle. So you can take advantage of those because you might as well find a positive out of it, right?
Will Henke
I think that it’s even really important to note too, like as far as like Courtney mentioned, the performance side, yes. But I know like this audience is kind of like more so toward the everyday athlete. So I think looking at some of the the benefits and risks during that are important. So women, according to men, their ligaments are a lot more relaxed than men normally. So if they go into a phase or cycle, they’re more likely to be prone to an ACL tear, because their ligaments relax a lot more than men. But there’s all these things that recovery goes down because their estrogen isn’t as high as estrogen is going to help them recover a lot faster than men. So when they’re in their follicular phase, their estrogen is super high, or progesterone isn’t quite there yet, not until the luteal phase comes in, they can have a higher volume training, they can have more fun. But when they go into luteal phase, if they’re still trying to train the same, whether it’s an everyday athlete or performance athlete, they’re going to recover way less. So their maximal recoverable volume as far as training has to go down. And now it’s I think the most important part of that is when you have someone that’s in their luteal phase, they’re going to be more at risk to get hurt, right, their ligaments are looser, so they can have likely higher likelihood of a higher ACL tear probability, their balance is going to be off compared to when they’re not. So they’re doing things like split squats, or demanding a pistol squats work requires a lot of balance, they could falling it hurt. So instead of going in patch, squatting super heavy, maybe take it to the leg press or something and do something where they’re not having to balance as much, you know what I mean? So there’s these little considerations where it’s like you could potentially get hurt. And it’s not just so much for performance, but it’s also longevity of health and staying in the game a little bit longer.
Ed Morrison
I’ve loved the idea of staying in the game. And what I also loved was Courtney, this idea of body awareness and listening to your body. What I guess I’m going to shift shift us a little bit forward and ask what type of things should people will be trying to be aware of or listening to when they’re taking hormonal based contraception or, or birth control. So typically, that’s that’s the pill, there are other hormonal birth controls. Courtney, if I was to ask you to talk about some key things that you’d monitor after starting, taking that what would be what would be something that athletes would look out for both the everyday athlete and somebody who’s very much performance based?
Courtenay Polock
Well, you’re when you’re you’re taking you contraception, your whole hormonal profile shifts, basically, you kind of stop communicating ovaries to brain so your whole body is affected, basically. So your mood is going to change your energy levels might shift, you might find that your motivation changes. There’s definitely symptoms associated with things like even just general migraines, and headaches, digestion, all these pretty much anything that’s feeling very different can be affected. It’s very, very individual, depending on how or each person. However, this is stuff that is also not really told to you when you’re given contraception. So it’s really important that you are a little bit more educated about your choice when having when deciding to take some sort of contraception pill. So I think the bit that is the biggest problem and being aware of any changes that are associated with that time is really important, because it will affect your performance based on basically your hormone profile. So those are the most of the things I would try and communicate to my clients but it is so individual. There’s so much variation in so many effects that are often not even recognized as being pill associated. So people know don’t necessarily assume then new changes are coming from the pill unless it’s like dry. Stick, you know, most women will go crazy and think, oh, that’s definitely the people. But definitely, like just motivation in general is one that’s affected. So if you’ve lost motivation for training or even going to work, it doesn’t have to be training related. That’s a pretty big sign that it’s affecting you and probably should consider switching around or speaking to your doctor about it another option, maybe? Yeah, absolutely,
Ed Morrison
we’ll do have anything to add to that to athletes that you would be coaching that would be taking that type of contraception.
Will Henke
I think the biggest thing is understanding the side effects that it could be causing you and being mindful of like taking that five minutes for a session and checking in like, how do I actually feel today? Am I not motivated? Because I haven’t been there last night, and I’ve stayed out drinking and coming gym or have I had like a good sleep routine. And I’m coming in and I just haven’t been motivated for the last week, even though my diets been checked in. I’ve gotten adequate vitamin D, I’ve got enough sleep and water. And then there might be an underlining issue when it comes to like the pillar or something like that as well. So it could be tons of factors, right? The energy loss, the lack of motivation, you know, the Delete, you know, having not recovering as well. It could be your lifestyle, right, there could be so many things. But I think once you dial in those important things, and you’re still having these issues as well, then I think it’s important to talk to your coach, your physician, your accesses geologists about things like hey, I don’t I don’t want to be here. Why is that? I think that’s a kind of a weird thing to tell a coach, like, I don’t want to be here. Because it could be like you, Coach could take it at their insecurities and say, Oh, we don’t like our sessions. But it’s about them. If they’re not enjoying training, you need to drastically shift what they’re doing in their program. So they can do that. If I do go to the gym and hate what I did every day. That’s a long time. I love being in the gym, if I would hate it a lot of my day that I wouldn’t like, same with a job if you’re working a job you hate we do keep working that job? I hope not. I hope you find a different job that you’re passionate about and kind of chase that. But again, it’s kind of one of those things where it’s common, but not normal yet. I mean,
Mat Lock
the I think the general advice, economy that you and I talked about was, was really an based on your own personal experiences when you were younger, you wish you’d known more about the possible side effects or the longer term implications or even to understand better, what changes are occurring in the body when you take the pill because the pill sounds so innocuous, doesn’t it? He then started talking about you know, it’s a it’s a synthetic hormone. Certainly that that for me was okay to think about it that way somewhere different, and therefore, to reach out to the general practitioner, and have a better conversation, let’s say so they feel fully informed. And I know you and I talked about, there’s no intention to demonize the pill, that’s not the point at all. It’s simply to make sure that you’re as informed as possible about what you’re putting into your body. And the implications of it. Is that I’ve had to my recollection of our conversation.
Courtenay Polock
Yeah, yeah. And I think the biggest concern is the reason why you’re going on the pill. So like, I took it for acne control, which is obviously coming from some sort of hormonal issue, anything related to like other than actual contraception is, is usually something not right within your hormonal balance. So it should be all balanced, it’s supposed to do this really nice flow. Obviously, when you hit puberty, and you start changing these flow is not as nice as it should be adjusting. But it’s, I think, the education behind like, what options you have, other than the pill for those things, is what’s really important. So I think also, as a female, I had no idea how important hormones actually are, until I, like became an exercise physiologist and realized the whole cyclic nature of it and what they actually do. Even just the fact that hormones aren’t just your sex hormones, they’re not just estrogen and progesterone, testosterone, there’s so many others. So it’s not so much about, like, I didn’t know anything, you know how important they were. So if I had learnt that earlier, or knew a little bit about it, even I think or how important it was to maybe not mess with them in terms of how your body operates. I think I would have definitely made a different choice at the age that I was when I first one on appeal. And for the reason that I went on there, I would have much preferred to look at a different method. I mean, if it’s for contraception, obviously, like that’s a very different ballgame. But PMS is a huge ones are really heavy periods is a huge one that all the symptoms of like, not very nice, holistic cycles is what they usually start prescribing the pill for and you just go and say hey, like can I get on the pill? And they say yeah, sure here and you don’t really have anything And then you take one and it doesn’t really work that well for you, then you go back and get a different one. So you never, I never like, oh, and then you peel the packet open and there’s like 400 symptoms of side effects that could possibly go wrong. And the doctor like, ah, but my experience was, don’t worry, that’s just possible, but it’s fine. It’s one of the things Yes. Reason as a list of 400 things. Yeah.
Will Henke
It’s funny you say that, Courtney, because it’s, you only hear about those three sex hormones, right? But then people don’t really understand that your hunger is greatly affected by two main hormones like leptin and ghrelin, which leptin is a huge driver of the menstrual cycle, that availability of glucose in the blood, and then also how many calories you consume. Those play a pretty massive role in your in your, your period. So I think taking and messing with your hormones, as far as you know, taking the pill, and that kind of shifting, that profile of your hormones can drastically affect your hunger, right? Women’s leptin takes a long time to set in. So when they’re hungry, they keep eating, even though they’re not hungry. That leptin is telling them, Hey, I’m not full yet. I’m not satiated, I need to eat more, so they continue eating when they don’t need to. So anytime you throw off the hormones, like hunger hormones, that’s gonna affect body composition that could affect the girls mindset as far as confidence with her body image, a lot of things. So like a lot goes into it more so than just the sexual ones, like you said.
Mat Lock
Yeah, absolutely. We’re covering some massive topics. We’ve Yeah, and I’m conscious of time. And I mean, so far, some of the takeaways would include the, about tracking the periods, for sure, tracking will be much more consumer body and listen to your body and actually write it down, make notes. And certainly in the future, we’re going to have some cheat sheets, the corn is currently going to help us prepare and make available to anyone that wants them. So that least it’s a starting point. Certainly under training and overtraining, we’ve talked about that. And for sure, when we’re talking about the pill, the contraceptive, then just to be better informed and ask perhaps deeper questions and have a more a deeper understanding of the implications of taking them and start with the reasons why you think he wants to take the pill. Well, there you have it. Thanks very much for listening. And if you’ve enjoyed this, please go ahead, hit the subscribe button down below and the little bell icon so you get notified every time we upload a new episode. And if you think that one of your training buddies would also enjoy this, go ahead and share it with them right now. With that said, Thank you once again and as always be brave, have fun and lead by example.
